Offline Turnir na PBeM servere
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#1: Offline Turnir na PBeM servere Author: nickolaj, Location: Rossija PostPosted: 26. Dec 2006 18:21
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Greetings XO fans!

World Renzyu League (WRL) have a plan to run the 2nd offline Championship on
PBeM server. It will start approximately on 30/Dec/2006.
Any level 5-in-a-row players are welcome. Don’t hesitate to participate. No entry fee Wink

The current WRL champion is Alexander SUSLOV (Moldavia). You can read an interview with him at

http://5stones.pcriot.com/suslov1.php

About PBEM server
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Nowadays PBEM ( http://www.gamerz.net/pbmserv/login.html )
is a free server which combines convenient Graphics interface with e-mail system.
It is possible to make moves in GUI window or by sending e-mails.

About Renzyu (WRL rules)
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Renzyu is 5-in-a-row type game on board 17x17 with two additional rules:
forks 3-3 and overlines (6 or more in a row) are forbidden for the
Player who begins the game (Black).
It's necessary to make a game more balanced.

Well, OK, if these rules are too hard for your understanding, you may download
an excellent textbook "Gomoku for beginners" by A.Nosovsky and Gomoku programs which never loses Wink
URL: http://5stones.pcriot.com/

Tournament's System:
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Total time limit: 90 days per game.
Each player will play no more than 10-12 games simultaneously.

Good luck and have fun!

Any questions to Nikolaj Sviridov,
President of WRL,
e-mail: [email protected]
WWW: http://kuznetsk-times.narod.ru/renju.html

P.S.
We will be glad if you translate this message to Slovenian or forward it to
the potential participants.

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#2:  Author: matjaz,  PostPosted: 26. Dec 2006 21:40
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Hi nickolaj !

This site is primary in Slovenian language, secondary language is English, so please write posts in one of them.
I'm sure you were trying to do your best, but unfortunately now we don't understand you.

Regards,
Matjaž
#3:  Author: jezek,  PostPosted: 27. Dec 2006 17:18
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Novica o naši presenetljivi zmagi nad Estonijo se je hitro razširila po vsem (gomoku&renju) svetu (čisto zares!) in to so že odmevi nanjo Very Happy Narejeno pa je bilo tudi malo reklame za našo spletno stran.

Kakor jaz zastopim zgornji post, nas Nikolaj vabi na offline turnir (sistem brez ure - tako kot mi igramo tukaj) , ki naj bi se začel 30.12.06 (dekabrja?) - drugi datumi itak ne pridejo v poštev. Omejitev trajanja 90 dni. Igra se renju na polju 17*17 (Daredevil, to bo zate Wink ) Igra se 10-12 iger, ostalih pravil ne razumem dobro. Očitno Nikolaj ne govori angleško in tudi prosi za prevod posta v slovenščino.

Na hitro sem pogledal linke, pa nisem našel prave poti naprej do turnirja... Če kdo zna rusko ali je malo bolj vešč surfanja, naj pove kaj več o tem.

Estonci želijo revanšo, nov dvoboj naj bi se začel jeseni in naj bi postal tradicionalen.

Imamo možnost igrati tudi z drugimi ekipami, vse pa je odvisno od vas, če ste pripravljeni igrati. Lahko navežem kontakt in se pogovorim o podrobnostih, vendar bi zaradi pomanjkanja časa nujno potreboval tudi nekoga (ni pogoj, da tudi igra), ki bi pomagal po organizacijski plati (sestava ekipe, spremljanje statistike ipd.). Če je kdo zainteresiran pomagati naj se javi in se lahko pogovarjamo naprej, sicer z novimi dvoboji ne bo nič (razen z Estonci, za katere imam poseben motiv, saj sem jih kar nekaj tudi osebno spoznal, med njimi tudi njihovega najboljšega).

Moram reči, da je tudi mene končni rezultat presenetil. To pa je le dokaz, da v naših XO sploh nismo tako slabi in če bi igrali v najmočnejši zasedbi in bi se ob takih priložnostih reaktivirala tudi Nba in Heker bi naredili še marsikatero presenečenje. Za gomoku(swap) in renju pa je potrebno nabrati še nekaj 'kilometrine'.
#4:  Author: nickolaj, Location: Rossija PostPosted: 27. Dec 2006 18:59
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jezek wrote:
Novica o naši presenetljivi zmagi nad Estonijo se je hitro razširila po vsem (gomoku&renju) svetu (čisto zares!) in to so že odmevi nanjo Very Happy Narejeno pa je bilo tudi malo reklame za našo spletno stran.


It is so Smile
But remember that the best gomoku players are russian Smile


jezek wrote:

Kakor jaz zastopim zgornji post, nas Nikolaj vabi na offline turnir (sistem brez ure - tako kot mi igramo tukaj) , ki naj bi se začel 30.12.06 (dekabrja?) - drugi datumi itak ne pridejo v poštev. Omejitev trajanja 90 dni. Igra se renju na polju 17*17 (Daredevil, to bo zate Wink ) Igra se 10-12 iger, ostalih pravil ne razumem dobro.


See the information above.

jezek wrote:

Očitno Nikolaj ne govori angleško in tudi prosi za prevod posta v slovenščino.


Yes, I learned German at school Smile

jezek wrote:

Na hitro sem pogledal linke, pa nisem našel prave poti naprej do turnirja... Če kdo zna rusko ali je malo bolj vešč surfanja, naj pove kaj več o tem.


Sorry, that site is under construction...
#5:  Author: daredevil, Location: Postojna PostPosted: 27. Dec 2006 19:36
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Pozdrav ljubiteljem igre XO!

Svetovna liga v renjuju (WRL) planira izvesti drugo dopisno prvenstvo na PEbM strežniku s pričetkom najverjetneje 30. decembra.
Vsi ljubitelji igre 5 v vrsto vsakršne igralne kakovosti ste lepo vabljeni. Ne odlašajte s prijavami. Ni prijavnine.

Trenutni prvak lige je Alexander SUSLOV iz Moldavije. Intervju z njim lahko preberete na:
http://cowboy7.ho.com.ua/suslov1.htm

Nekaj o PBeM strežniku:

Danes je PBeM (http://www.gamerz.net/pbmserv/login.html) zastojnski strežnik ki združuje nekakšen grafični vmesnik in e-mail sistem (menim, da je tole podobno dopisnemu šahu).

Še nekaj o pravilih:

Renju je igra tipa 5 v vrsto na mreži velikosti 17x17 z dvema dopolnjenima praviloma: postavitev 2x3 odprto in več kot 5 v vrsto sta prepovedana za igralca, ki igro začne! Če kdorkoli postavi tako postavitev pomeni to avtomatski poraz v igri! Pravijo, da je to potrebno za uravnosvesenje možnosti za zmago!

Več o pravilih lahko dobite tukaj: http://cowboy7.ho.com.ua

Sistem igranja: Omejitev je 90 dni za vsako igro, vsak pa bo odigral med 10 do 12 iger. (verjetno odvisno od števila prijav)

Kako se registrirati:

1.) (tega ne zastopim najbolje):
Pošljete sporočilo na [email protected]
na način: signup vaše_ime vaše_geslo

2.) (dosti bolj praktičen):
Pošljete dopis na [email protected]
Z naslednjimi podatki:

Vaše ime:
Željeni nick na PBeMju:
Država iz kjer prihajate:
Mesto iz katerega prihajate:

Veliko sreče in zabave!

Za več vprašanj se lahko obrnete na Nikolaja Sviridova, predsednika WRLja na:

e-mail: [email protected]
www: http://kuznetsk-times.narod.ru/renju.html

Toliko o prevodu iz ruščine... Tisti čudni znakci sklepam da so posledica ruskih tipkovnic...

No sicer pa sedaj opažam, da se je Nikolaj že potrudil in spisal vse v angleščini...
#6:  Author: nickolaj, Location: Rossija PostPosted: 28. Dec 2006 16:22
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Thanks daredevil for translation.

Some remarks about tournament.
WRL renju variation is more close to simple XO game than RIF because
4-4 are allowed.
And this time we will use NEW openings rules ( http://www.gamerz.net/pbmserv/Renju.html )
recently adopted by Japanese associations "Renju-Sha" and "Zen-Nihon Renju Renmei".
Since those openings are rather unstudied, even experienced renju masters will not have
big advantage against strong XO players.

So it is a good chance to learn Renju for any XO players.

Also, in my opinion Renju (doesn't matter RIF or WRL) is the only one 5-in-a-row game for advanced players
(at least now).
It has deep history, traditions, openings and so on.
Of course, all those Pente, X-O, Gomoku are good "zabava" for sys-admins or fast games
but if you want to play 5-in-a-row seriously, Renju is the best choice...

Cheers,
Nikolaj
#7:  Author: nickolaj, Location: Rossija PostPosted: 29. Dec 2006 21:15
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Hi Jezek,

> Unfortunately we don't have experience with playing renju. Iknow some rules but I havn't played
> yet.

It's OK. I said that that Renju tournament will be played by new openings rule. And it is not RIF Renju. So, I don't think you will be the last in your group Wink


Time Regulations. Each player has got 90 days for each game
If that total time is over, the player loses the game. If a player thinks of a move
21 days or more, he also loses the game. However if there are
certain circumstances, it is possible to apply for more than
20 days rest (vacation). Those days still will be included in the total time.
It is not possible to get extra time i.e. more than 90 days for
any reason. After 200 moves (100 black and 100 white) a game is draw.
No exceptions are possible.
BTW, the longest game in 1st WRL tournament was about 100 moves.

> Do you make 5 groups and 2 players of each group will
> play in the final group?

Yes, something like this.

> I'm "doubting Thomas".

Russkije govorjat tak: "Foma nevierujuščij" Smile

> Do you mean that you are
> also the best in our XO with free rules?

What can I say? My personal interest is Renju only. But as a rule strong renju players beat gomoku gamers. For example, 2 weeks ago, three russian RENJU players took participation in live russian GOMOKU championship in Nizhnij Novgorod.
And they took top 3 places there!
It doesn't big matter for us win or not 6 in a row (3-3). But the openings rules should be more or less fair anyway. To play without openings restrictions is just wasting time because otherwise the 1st player always wins.

Best Regardes,
Nikolaj Vjačeslavovič Sviridov.
#8:  Author: nickolaj, Location: Rossija PostPosted: 24. Mar 2007 08:18
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Hello XO fans!

The preliminary round of the 2nd WRL Meizin tournament has finished.
Read a report by Oleg Fedorkin at
http://5stones.pcriot.com/wa2007.php

Results of pool WA are below

1. Fedorkin (USA) 9
2. Syuzin (Japan) 8
3. Purk (Estonija) 7
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4. Jezek (Slovenija) 3
5. Lipsic (USA) 3
6. Žukov (Rossija) 0

It was a very tough group. Two times RIF World e-mail champion and one of the
best Estonian renju players were among its participants.

So the result of Slovenian Jezek is rather good -- it was his first
tournament by renju rules!

Sorry, but I can't say this about another Slovenian participant (his nickname is X_O_X here).
He lost all his games quickly.

Good luck to all!

Nikolaj.

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#9:  Author: jezek,  PostPosted: 25. Mar 2007 09:42
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Nikolaj, thanks for information and link.



Glede na to, kakšna je bila konkurenca (Fedorkin - 2 kratni svetovni prvak; Purk Andry (brat od Taurija, ki je igral v nedavnem dvoboju z nami) 6.dan, 5. na estonski rang lestvici; še en zelo dober Japonec) in da so bile to moje prve renju igre in sem z rezultatom zadovoljen.

Brez poznavanja otvoritev se s takimi velemojstri pač ne da kosati. Po netu se mi otvoritev ne ljubi iskati, sploh pa nimam časa, da bi jih še študiral. Probleme pa sem imel tudi s pravilom, da črni ne sme hkrati narediti 2 odprtih trojk, sicer igro takoj zgubi.

Mi je pa v čast, da je v linku, ki ga je zgoraj posredoval Nikolaj, Fedorkin pri komentarju turnirja kot prvo omenil najino partijo, še posebej pa se mi zdi zanimiv začetek komentarja:

Quote:
"Slovenian player was mysterious for me. I did not know at all what is possible to expect from him. After he offered i3 opening with three alternative moves I was lost in thought for a long time... "


V tem trenutku se je zamislil za cca 2 tedna (omejitev časa je bilo 90 dni/igralca), kljub temu da je sicer igral zelo hitro. Vse ostale igre sem imel že bolj ali manj odločene, ko je naredil naslednjo potezo. Očitno se je za nadaljevanje odločil šele po tem, ko je videl, kako sem igral ostale igre. In če se svetovni prvak za 3. potezo toliko časa zamisli, sem morda odigral teoretsko novost, ki jo bo pisala zgodovina, hahaha
#10:  Author: stefan,  PostPosted: 25. Mar 2007 10:20
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Čestitam.In še več tako dobrih partij.
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